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Rey Treviño [00:00:00] As 2024 continues, we’re rolling on. Not only is it an important election year. Also, business must continue to move forward in the oil and gas industry. We talked to somebody that has firsthand experience in both of those. On this episode of The Crude Truth.

Rey Treviño [00:01:31] Well, thank you again for tuning in to another episode of The Crude Truth. We’re down here in our Austin studio today, and I am just so excited because as we kick off in my teaser, there it is now. Campaign season, 2024. We have huge elections, not only in November, but also coming up here in March with the primaries and picking those individuals that we really see taking us past November and into 2025. And for the next 4 or 6 years, in our industry, the oil and gas, the railroad Commission is, you know, their gospel. What they say goes as an operator, I know I have to follow those rules. You know, my I cross my T’s. But getting into that also, there’s so many things going on from the liquid natural gas, reduction that the president has just done also to carbon capture and carbon credits. So today I brought on the lady, the myth, the legend. Railroad commissioner. Christi Craddick, Christi, how are you?

Christi Craddick [00:02:33] Well, thanks for having me. It’s nice to be back. And I love your Austin studio. It’s fabulous.

Rey Treviño [00:02:39] Well, thank you so much. And, you know, technically, we can actually have the shot. See also building for me. I didn’t realize that. That’s. So. We won’t say which one it is, just in case, but.

Christi Craddick [00:02:48] Well, you’re welcome to show up anytime.

Rey Treviño [00:02:52] Thank you so much. And. Yes. No, the moment we had the opportunity to have this, office here. Studio, I was like, I have to get you on it. It’s been about a year now since I actually had. You want to think? Last time you were on, you were, in Dallas worth. So we were there in our four studios. But now it’s it’s election season now. You know, you’ve got that going on, but also, you’re fighting for us while you’re real rerunning. You know, I want to dive right into the LNG, basically the reductions that President Biden did. And and what are you guys doing to fight that? Right?

Christi Craddick [00:03:23] You know, LNG has been really important to this country and not just this country, but the world. Quite frankly, we are shipping natural gas all over the world. And if you look at where Ukraine, what’s going on in Ukraine and what’s going on in Europe, our LNG is keeping Europe warm right now. So you’ve got an administration who clearly doesn’t get it again. Here is the Biden administration who doesn’t understand how important not just Texas, but U.S. energy is to the rest of the world. And they have decided to limit LNG and relook at what they’re going to do and permitting. Look, consistency in regulation, consistency in permitting is one of the reasons why Texas is leading the country. This is a national security issue, and it has to do with our friends as well. They don’t get it. And that’s a real problem, I think, for the world.

Rey Treviño [00:04:14] You know, you mentioned there that it’s a national security issue and it really is, you know, for individuals out there, you know, let’s talk about that a diamond because this is a big deal. Before I, before I have you answer that question that, you know, not only did they cut the jobs, but we’re now hurting people across the world like you just said. So, you know, can we dive into the national security issues?

Christi Craddick [00:04:35] Sure. When you look at LNG. Remember, the first unfortunately came out of Louisiana with the first crew or LNG. Shipment that went across the world, went to Poland. No, just go look at the geography of where Poland is today. It came out of Louisiana. We have three LNG terminals today in Texas. One of em we’re trying is trying to get another permit so that before. And another one’s trying to expand their footprint. So we’ve got two in permitting process right now. And now you change the rules in the middle. So you’ve got dollars that have been spent, permits that people are trying to go get. And those are real jobs, not just for this state but across the world, because Germany needs our gas. So does everybody. So does, frankly, Japan and South Korea. So it is a national security issue because it isn’t just our natural gas going. People need it across the world. So now you’ve got Venezuela. Now as a player, you’ve allowed Iran to have their footprint back in and look at what they’ve just done this week with our friends. Well, you know, as we’re sitting, we’ve got service members that have just died in Jordan. The Iranians are behind 90% of what’s going on in the Middle East right now. These are not friendly people. So the U.S., well, we don’t lead. The the world starts having real problems, and that’s worse.

Rey Treviño [00:05:59] You know, what is the thinking behind. There’s so much going on in Texas right now that isn’t involved in oil and gas. Is that part of the reason why this administration is because we’re the we’re the Saudi Arabia of natural gas here in Texas. So why go after what, a third of our economy? You know.

Christi Craddick [00:06:19] I think that part of it is he doesn’t like Texas. And this administration definitely doesn’t like oil and gas. They don’t like thermal power, which is crazy. That’s what’s keeping us all warm and keeps the air conditioner on, too, by the way. Yeah. It’s not. We have a little bit of everything in Texas. That’s not a bad thing, but the base still is coal and natural gas, and they are looking for any way to shut it down. And we are talking about jobs. We have more jobs in the state with 400,000 jobs in this state, directly and indirectly related to oil and gas. That’s important. But when you look at the last Great Recession and we’re teetering on one, we’ll see. But the job creation today is coming from the energy sector again. Do they not like energy? That’s what I’d like to know. Do they not want to create jobs and give people real opportunity if they don’t, which is what I think the signal is from this administration, it’s time for them to lead.

Rey Treviño [00:07:12] Well, he absolutely on that one. That’s all my own personal. Yes. No, I think we do need a more, pro economy, administration. You know, that’s actually creating jobs and you know, so I agree. The other thing that’s really big right now is carbon capture and carbon credits. And, you know, you guys, we obviously have, you know, millions of dollars from the state that we’re now using for orphan oil. So we can go into that. But we also have federal dollars and this carbon capture, carbon credit, you know, what’s going on there.

Christi Craddick [00:07:43] So let me start with carbon capture carbon credit because it’s a little bit different than our abandoned orphan well program first. So foremost when you look at carbon capture and carbon credit, which are two different things by the way. And I’ll go back to carbon credits some. That’s Arctic carbon capture first. We’re not new to this in Texas. We’ve been doing capturing carbon and putting it for enhanced oil recovery. Putting it back in oil fields for 20 years. So we’re not new. We’ve had it as an agency in our regulatory world for 20 plus years. And it’s a good way. Instead of using water, we’re using CO2 that we put back into old oil fields and try to get more natural gas specifically, but more oil also out of those fields. And it’s current, we call it CO2 flood. So you put you pump it back down the ground in it. It brings more. It gets more oil and gas loose. Great. That’s a great use of the technology in Texas has been doing it. We’ve been leading for a long time. We think that’s important. To that end, the legislature last session decided that we ought to be get primacy because we also are talking about capturing CO2. Whether you believe it or not, it’s a job. Opportunity is the way we look at it. And so the legislature said to us, as an agency, you need to go get primacy for what we call class six wells. EPA calls class six wells that you inject carbon for permanency. We’ve we are application sitting in front of EPA. Three states have gotten primacy. So North Dakota and Wyoming were first. Louisiana just got primacy right at the end of 2023. We would have liked to have been in front of them, but we hope we’re right behind them. Yeah, in our application sitting up there. So we hope EPA Texas takes our application, is very serious about it and gives us an opportunity. And what primacy would do instead of waiting 2 to 3 years for an EPA permit and come to the Railroad Commission, get these permits and we can do it in six months. Same rules and regs. You know, we’ve got a plan that we had to submit, but more opportunity and a faster process for companies to really go through and be able to. Make sure CO2 is not in the air if that’s what you want to do. Right now I’m going to go to the credit part, because part of the movement to it was in this era, Bill, what I call the Green New Deal bill. But they are a bill. The IRA bill gave companies opportunity for credit to capture CO2, but not to use it in oil fields again. So they get no credit for carbon for putting it back in oil sales. Well, that’s the one use we know that really works. So here you are with an administration and the Congress probably you didn’t understand, but an administration who didn’t give any credit for capturing carbon and putting it back in the oil sales, they’ve missed a real opportunity. We’d love to see that get fixed, frankly.

Rey Treviño [00:10:48] How do you think we should like what do we like? Do we just need to, you know, call our local congressmen and.

Christi Craddick [00:10:53] Try and go back to the congressmen and saying, look, we we get you want to capture CO2? That’s if that’s your intent, fine. But the only thing we really are doing a lot of it when doing something with CO2, instead of just putting it underground for all eternity, which I think we can all argue doesn’t make a lot of sense. Well, let’s use it for something good, and let’s use it for CO2 enhanced oil recovery in the oil fields. And give us credit. Give us the tax credit like you’re doing for other things for.

Rey Treviño [00:11:24] You know, Christi with, with with that being the, you know, with what you just said about how Congress didn’t understand we have an administration. That’s a perfect way segue for me to lead into what’s next is that we don’t have people making decisions for the oil and gas industry that. No, the oil and gas industry. And that scares me on, you know, so many levels that, you know, that’d be like having somebody be a judge that was not a lawyer or somebody that understood that. And it’s hurting not only the jobs, but it hurts our economy. And that actually now brings me back to what we’re I remember now with the LNG is this administration got real quiet with oil and gas, shut it down once the inflation. And they got real quiet because oil and gas is going to help bring down that inflation that we had. And now all of a sudden, I do find it interesting that he. Basically, he’s now got a full blown war on Texas and our liquid natural gas. But getting back to people, because you’re running for reelection here for a third term, right? Which you may, you know, people that I’ve talked to, you know, and I’ve told you and I told you people the same things like, you’ve made so many positive things already. Why, in my opinion, is because you’re from West Texas. You know, oil and gas. Why not have somebody like you that knows these things? And so, you know, let’s talk about your reelection and, you know, and right now it is the primaries. We got a few other candidates. But, you know, why is it why are you rerun it?

Christi Craddick [00:12:56] Well, I think one the most important agency is the Railroad commission that regulates oil and gas, and it’s 30% of our state’s economy as well as oil and gas. So you need somebody who knows what. Well, and gas is first and foremost, not just that you’re filling up at the pump, but understands how it’s produced, what it does for our economy, the jobs it creates and understands the rules and regulations and is trying to look at not just having consistent and good rules and regulations, but allowing that new technology that is being done in Texas every single day to allow it to continue to move forward. And frankly, we’ve become a lot more transparent as an agency. You’ve heard me talk about the fact that we’re in the middle of an upgrade. We’ve got probably three more years to get off of mainframe Fortran, but we’ve come a long way at this agency, and I think it’s important to have consistency. And frankly, long term we’re going to have to fight back, whether it’s the Biden administration or any other administration or Congress who doesn’t understand oil and gas, who need somebody who’s been a proven leader to be there and have a strong voice at our agency.

Rey Treviño [00:14:06] Well, the. No, Christi, you didn’t do it. Let’s, with you saying that let’s talk about an issue that’s going on right now. Also, that’s kind of making a stink in some circles, Crane County out there, which is just for for people that don’t know, it’s, a little bit west southwest of Midland. You know, there’s an issue out there right now. I think there are a few wells that, may have been leaking that were orphan wells. Is that correct? What’s going on out there? And, you know, what is the commission doing to make it right?

Christi Craddick [00:14:43] So, look, orphan, abandoned wells are important to us as an agency in about 20 now, coming up on 25 years ago, this industry went to the legislature and said, well, you ought to make us pay a bond. And with those dollars, we’re going to start plugging orphaned, abandoned wells. The the Railroad Commission’s going to be the lead in that. We think that’s been an important piece of what the Railroad Commission does. It’s not our only job, but it’s an important piece. And people hear about that. Part of our job is to make sure the environment gets cleaned up, and we want to make sure we do that. We’ve plugged over 19,000 abandoned wells in that 25 years. Remember industry pleads most amount. So we’re plugging roughly now about a thousand a year.

Rey Treviño [00:15:25] Yes.

Christi Craddick [00:15:26] Part of what we do is inspect those wells. And they become orphaned, abandoned after someone has gone bankrupt and walked away. Yup. They come onto our books after and we get the bones for it. So we’re allowed to use an insurance policy to help plug those wells as well. And the industry from fees we are taking in is paying the other part. So we are out there getting bids like everybody else is with service companies to plug wells, and we go out and inspect them and prioritize them. So if you’re party one, that means we think there’s a leak or there’s a real problem. If you’re a priority for you, maybe a then maybe a 50 year old, well, out there and we know it’s there, but if it’s not, we’re not concerned about the environment or if it’s not affecting somebody’s property, then we’ll get to you. You’re on our list. And today we’ve got roughly 8500. That number is a little bit stagnant. We plug a thousand the same. Another thousand come back home. But it’s been a priority for this agency to keep that number within manageable numbers. Part of what you’re asking about is Crane County. So we have a state plugging program. There’s also a federal one I want to go back to. I don’t want to talk about what’s going on in Crane. So there’s a lot of old stuff out in Crane. This is what the new Delaware Basin for us. But a lot of this basin wasn’t active or not very active like it is today for many years. And there’s a lot of old stuff and I mean stuff in the 50s and 60s before you and I were everywhere else. That’s there’s a lot of wells out there that have been, some have been plug, some haven’t built, some we are now finding weren’t ever registered with us. Maybe they weren’t supposed to be there because there was. That’s lithium and other issue, other things that people were seeing as opportunities that they didn’t have to come to us as an agency or the TCU or predecessor to get a permit. They were just poking the hole in ground. So we as an agency want to make sure if we see something, we want people to call us, tell us there’s an issue and that’s part of what’s going on out in Crane. We’ve had a well, a leak this in the past month or so. Yeah, as an agency, we’re out there. We’re on the ground. We’ve hired contractors to go out and plug that well, and we’re in process of of remediating it appropriately. I don’t it sometimes it doesn’t matter who owned it or who drill that. We just want to make sure it gets cleaned up. So that is where we are. And then there’s water to be hauled off. So you’ll see us continue to remediate that landowner that surface owners property appropriately as well.

Rey Treviño [00:17:58] Yeah. You know, the landowner may be different than a mineral. That’s right. And you know, Crane County. Well, people don’t know poor Crane County is like Swiss cheese. Let me throw out, because if I’m correct, please correct me if I’m wrong because you’re from there or not. From there, but from West Texas. They’ve mined for copper. They’ve mine for uranium, for lithium. I mean, Crane County was just been depleted of this natural resource. So it’s all not just oil and gas.

Christi Craddick [00:18:24] There’s all there’s some good salts out there too. So salt always makes the geologists different. And we’re really just having the issue, frankly, in the one county in the one area. And so we’re continuing to do inspections and continuing to gather data and information. So if we just make sure we’re resolving the issue.

Rey Treviño [00:18:44] The other thing that y’all did that I thought was real interesting was you guys sit by the railroad commission. Y’all were able to get a no fly zone over this area. What? First of all, so fragile, could we get a no fly zone? But then again, I’m not. But what what was that about?

Christi Craddick [00:19:01] So, you know, look, there was a drone flying over the property. We didn’t know whose it was, and it wasn’t the landowner. That we were aware of. And so, you know, that’s a concern. We’ve got safety issues on the ground with with operators. You’ve got big, big pieces of equipment. But frankly, look what’s going on. We’re now using drones around the world to drop bombs. There is some real issues about safety. Yeah. Whether you know what you know if you don’t know. So and it’s not the first time we’ve gone and asked for a no fly zone with the FAA. No, we we filed an application. They agreed with us that there were some issues and have agreed to extend it for as long as people are out there remediating. It’s a safety issue for the people out there, and so we appreciate that they have to enforce it. You know, they could have said no to and I’m sure they have, but wait on others. But they didn’t on this one and they took it very seriously. And we appreciate that the people that are sitting on that side and doing the work are really we want their safety first and we get the strong got within 20, 30ft of them that that’s dangerous. That is dangerous. And not only that, look, our our job is to be transparent. And so the information we’re getting and that we have on that well is going to be made public. It’s not that we need somebody else out there checking the landowners more than welcome to go out. We’re informing them or we should be informing them as well about where we are in the process. So that’s a transparency issue is not the issue. It is safety for our people.

Rey Treviño [00:20:32] Safety. Are there any rules about how drones are out there like on.

Christi Craddick [00:20:37] Not to my not whatever FAA rules are, the.

Rey Treviño [00:20:40] Only reason I ask is up. I’m thinking about like that 20 or 30ft head up, my friend. Up. When we were drilling here a couple months back. You know, it was real cool. You know, you got to see this. But the thing is, I mean, it almost takes up half its back in the stroke, right? So 20 or 30ft away, it falls on somebody that’s going.

Christi Craddick [00:20:56] To hurt it as well. Wait. We’re using drones at the agency for inspections, particularly pipelines. We have so much pipe in the state. A lot of it’s in rural areas. You can’t walk that pipe down. And so I think you’re seeing other agencies and other people use drones appropriately where they where they should be used, but not just to be invasive and not you. You’ve notified or you know what, you’re out there.

Rey Treviño [00:21:20] I like that you’re using them for the pipelines. You know, a lot of the pumpers that are my dad’s aides, would tell me when I was younger, like where you go five flow line or something like that. Like, let’s scrub, say what you saw walking us.

Christi Craddick [00:21:31] And we do a lot of that too. That’s part of it. You know, when you’ve got 480,000 miles of pipe in the state, it’s a lot of pipe. We’re going to make sure it gets inspected, fortunately. But you do start walking and you want those lines then that area to be clear so you can see if there’s an issue.

Rey Treviño [00:21:47] You know, let’s, I want to circle back to the state funding and federal funding for Orphan Wells real quick. You mentioned how you know us as operators, we pay a bond, to, to operate and that money’s there obviously that. If we go like, the idea is you don’t get that money back if you disappear. That’s right. Okay. But also, I think a dollar from every load of oil that we produce, I think goes donated towards also the Orphan Well Fund, is that correct?

Christi Craddick [00:22:17] No, that’s not really true.

Rey Treviño [00:22:19] No, that’s not true.

Christi Craddick [00:22:20] Not anymore. So we don’t, as an agency, get any dollars from the rainy day fund or any of the any of the funds that that you all pay into. We do have to go to the legislature and the appropriate dollars. So we get dollars one if you’ve got a bond, but two, we use dollars. Terminate the agency and that are appropriated from a CIP. Most of these orphan abandoned wells are 3040 years old, right before we had bones. So when I go to the legislature and they say you’re still plugging, this was. No, they’re different wells. We’re adding two because, you know, if you have dips in industry, obviously that’s when you see bankruptcies. And and we acquire more wells. That’s just historic. You can look at it. But again, we’ve we’ve prioritized the last several years. And the legislature has asked for us to do so. We’re glad to do that, to plug at least 1000 to 1200 wells a year. Done that for six years. And they there are dollars appropriated for us. I get some of it bonds, some of it dollars. That industry is paying for fees for us. And so we’ve had about $35 million a year to plug wells. Then the federal dollars, the IRA, the one, there’s a plus for this bill. The Green New Deal is bad, but this we decided we would access dollars. It’s your tax dollars anyway. We might as well use it for taxes. That’s the way I look at the world. So two coming up two years ago is that is the federal bill was going on. They approached they came to all states who were operators and said, how many wells do you have and what would it cost you? And at that point we had about 8500 wells, about 8000. And we and remember, we not only have wells on shore, but we have wells that glo permitted offshore in the bay. So we’ve got about 75 of those. Those can get real expensive. They can be $1 million a well or more. And that’s kind of we we say about $1 million a well, because you got to go rebuild a platform and do things that cheaper. It’s cheaper on land than it is on the, in the water. Absolutely, yeah. Generally. So we went back to the government. The federal government said we think we need $330 million to plug everything we have today. One okay. So that’s been almost two years ago, coming up in April, a year ago, finally, they started doling out money. So not this last September, but the September before. We were eligible for a $25 million unrestricted that we went and gone with that, we’ve plugged 730 additional wells along with federal dollars. And actually our website, part of what the requirements and we didn’t know we’d just built our website to do this. If it’s federal dollars, well, plugging you can go track what we’re doing. We have it on our website that you can go look at the Railroad Commission website of what we’re doing with those federal dollars. Then we got to this time last year, so February of last year, and there’s still a lot of money out there. And Department of Interior is was now writing rules about what you had to do to acquire your next tranche.

Rey Treviño [00:25:26] And yes.

Christi Craddick [00:25:28] We laughed because when California and Texas don’t like rules that are being written federally, you know, there’s some challenges. So we made a bunch of comments, as did a lot of oil associations and oil states and LA. And so in August of this past year, about six months ago now, the Department of Interior said, these are the rules. These are the guidelines. And we kind of looked at it went, okay, so we’re waiting on $79 million to come this year. We hope we don’t. We hope we’ll get it in the first quarter of this year. And we’ll start plugging again more wells with federal dollars. That being said, our state playing program and that’s part of the requirement. You have to have a state plugging program where the most active and most in actually the oldest state well plugging program in in the country, so that we’ll have both programs going, that $25 million had to be spent in one year. The 79 we have a few years, and then we’ll go back and ask for the next tranche of money. So this is an ongoing program.

Rey Treviño [00:26:30] You know, let me ask you, this are the way y’all are disbursing the federal funds a lot.

Christi Craddick [00:26:34] Like very similar things. First. Yes. So we’ve got state we’ve got manage contracts. We’ve got people that are eligible to apply to apply to plug our wells. A lot of again, industries using the same folks, you know. And so we’re competing with, with people and, and personnel is a real challenge in the service industry today. So making sure we’ve got enough people out there. But yes, we’re plugging. Well, it we’re trying to do or they’re more regionalized unless you’ve got an you know, one. Well that really is a problem we’re kind of doing or in areas instead of one it three over here and four over here. We’re trying to manage that there or together. It’s more cost effective for everybody.

Rey Treviño [00:27:17] Absolutely. Travel alone. That’s right. Random question when it comes to those dollars, are you all looking at companies that are what what is it, you know, the minorities or the women owned?

Christi Craddick [00:27:27] That’s part of the challenge. We do look for hub companies. That’s always important for this agency at all levels, not just, well, plugging, but we’re always looking for how companies. That’s one of the priorities. And the legislatures asked to prioritize. But we’re happy to do that. We would love to get people of all anybody who wants to come play well with us. But there’s not historically not been as, a lot of hub companies interested in this sector. So we’re glad to see more, get involved and see opportunities to employ more people.

Rey Treviño [00:28:01] Oh, you guys are just up to so much right now. It’s not even funny. And, on a random note, correct me if I’m wrong on this, other oil and gas companies, all those orphan wells so they can actually, if they see a field and they’re like, hey, that’s a good field. They could actually go to the railroad commission and purchase those orphan.

Christi Craddick [00:28:19] Well so they can come acquire them. Well, yeah. And and we’ve got a process for people to do that. Some companies have done that. And we’re seeing some shallow wells that, say a bigger companies coming in because it could be affecting what they want to do with their horizontal wells. And so they’ll come in and, and acquire some old wells and plug them, and they, you know, they, they don’t get any credit, so to speak, but but it it’s a better program to make sure we’re not having any issues in those fields where they want to continue to drill.

Rey Treviño [00:28:50] You know, I’ve never really kind of thought about it, but it makes total sense that you said, hey, a lot of these wells that are that are orphan wells are 50 and six years old. And the rules weren’t the same. And I mean, you I mean, I’ve heard stories, you know, about being a part of up in North Texas where somebody might drill. And if they didn’t do that, just kind of pick up and go, you know, this is really.

Christi Craddick [00:29:12] Like very little in West Texas as well. Yeah. So that’s every now’s part of the issue. And now you can’t do that anymore. No. Couldn’t do that for the last 3040 years. But but older stuff that’s something. So we kind of we know where things are we hope. And we’ve updated our map. In fact, when I first got to the agency, we were taking four different hard copy maps and merging them into an electronic map. So we know there’s some areas and we I still get phone calls periodically in certain areas. From there is said you’ve got that well marked wrong. Okay. Tell us we want to make deals. But we think we know where most, most of em are. But there’s always something that pops up that we’re. But the landowner usually knows. And that’s what we at. We encourage people to send us an email or pick up the phone and call us, or we’ll have somebody come out and inspect it. We’ve got an.

Rey Treviño [00:30:03] Issue. Well, Christi, for those out there that are, that are looking for you to continue to lead, you know, how can people find you and donate to to your, campaign this year?

Christi Craddick [00:30:15] So thanks for asking. And thanks. So we’ve got a primary coming up. Yes, ma’am. Well, it’s early voting starts February 20th and in primaries on March the 5th. We’d love to get everybody back engaged with us. And we’ve got great support across the state. You can go to ChristiCraddick.com. And we’ve got a website. We’ve got where you can donate. But also we’re moving around the state. We’d love to make sure people are meeting us and getting to know us and then getting out and voting is really important this cycle. We expect a lot of people to vote. And when you look at the ballot, you’ve got presidential, U.S. Senate, your congresswoman and me. So I’m forced on the ballot. I’m not hard to find, but I’m the only girl statewide on the ballot this cycle. And it’s been six years since people have had to vote on me. We’ve got a lot of new people. Yeah, and reminding people with the Railroad Commission does is part of our goal and how important this agency is. And we need qualified people sitting here.

Rey Treviño [00:31:11] Yes, ma’am. But that I agree with, I, I think sometimes if you looked at resumes, yours is definitely one it actually is an exception because your resume fits your role within the government. And like, like we talked about earlier. So, Christi, I cannot thank you again for your time today. And again, if anybody out there, you know would like to donate, you know, Christi at ChristiCraddick.com, and we’ll see you again here on another episode of the Crude Truth.

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